Jon answering some questions about Christianity



Jon Replys to *Namless*'s quesions
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Ok then - I'll start with the GOd and Devil same person thing..
Now, the Devil was once one of gods greatist Angles, but he tried becoming better than god, and was
cast from heaven. SO now the Devil trys stopping people from getting to be with God.
SOme have considered that Christanity may be from the Devil, but it goes completly aggainst the
Devil, and he cannot fight himself (Aparantly that is written somewhere)
NOw, the Devil is very Clever, so He can convince people that they know best. "In the Beguinning" he
convinced Adam And Eve to eat of a Fruit that God had command them not to eat, and that was the
Buginning of Sin.

First Religion for now is Islam (Muslims and stuff). Now, they belive in Jesus, but that he was just
a profit, not who he claimed to be. Now he claimed to be the Son Of God. If he isn't the Son of God,
then he is completly insane for saying that, and is at the same level as someone who says that they
are a Poached Egg.
So Jesus was either teh Son of God, or COmpletly insane, There is NO WAY he could have been a
Profit. Also it is and still is FORCED on people, and drilled into them that they must do certian
things, and it started from one guys Hullutionation where he wrote down something, then wrote the
Answer "From God" himself.

I can't really say Much about Buddah, but it did come from a Person, where as this came from God,
Assuming the Jesus wasn't an egg. BUT he was tooo wise to be insane really. The stuff he said was
INCREDIBLE.

Did you know that some of the things that are written (SOme Miricals) have been proven True, like
the Star over Jesus when He was born. The year he was born has been recorded, and they can proove
that there was a HUGE "Star" over where he was staying...

The witch thing dosn't happen now, but that just shows how paranoid people used to be. It wasn't
really a Good thing to do, Not a Christian thing. Like the KKK, they claim they are Christians, but
they don't seem that great do they?
Also, they only had to be Suspected to be a witch, there didn't have to be ANY "Proof" like a Broom.
If you said I think someone is a Witch, then they were...

That perfact one, yes its true, so therefore, because NONE of us is also perfact, and therefore not
worthy (Or able) to be with god , could have easily been turned down by god. But no, he decided to
Save us. All we have to Do is Belive. He almost did destroy all Life, but had compassion for one
man, and Saved HIm and his family.

Also, in the Time of Moses, they had ALL seen the Power of the Lord (And knew for sure he was real),
but moses went up on a Mountain for 40 days, and during that short time the people had made Idols,
and Were worshiping them. Thats how currupt we are. They knew that god was real, but still made
their own one and praised them.
Ages ago if some one else did this, then it would be added and added to until it became a Religion
like the one with the Person with tones of Arms.

God sees the Sprit, and accepts those good of heart. If they don't know him and have never had a
CHance to be saved, if they are good at hear they are saved. That goes for young Kids who never get
the chance to accually understand everything...

SOlar eclipse, turn on a Torch, you can see the ground. If the light came out then the Darkness will
Disapper right. THis is just a Metaphore, and I'm too tired to Explain (FREmember that behind the
Moon there is still light) so I'll finish this then GOto sleep...

Evolution, they have mostly Dropped that now. But natural Selection Exists. Species Evolve. Thats
Certian. Animals Change to suit the Situation. They didn't all start from a Big explosion though.
That can't be true cause before that there would have been less than Nothing, and therefore o
explosion is possible.

The DInisaw one is odd. See, we accually don't know how long a "God" Day is. THere fore one day
could have been millions of years, and in that time the DInosaws could have come and Gone. I don't
really know that one that well. Might get back to you though.

Who are these People, Joan of arc.... I don't accually know:
and if there was a god, why did he let Joan of Arc die? why did he let Hypatia die? and then let her
killer Cyril, become a saint?
Do remember that he Let Many people Die, cause I guess they were no Longer required, and he wanted
them to be with him. JOhn the Baptist was kinda Replaced by Jesus, and then Killed..

We don't make stuff up, We repete what is written in the Bible and Expand on it. Scientists make
stuff. "Science is true until proven Wrong". Thats how it goes. The Big bang, someone wanted another
way of Explaining the World, which made him feel like super beings, cause we must have evolved much
more than other species.

I have never said thta god is in the CLouds. He Clairly isn't. Hes Outside of this Universe. We
CANNOT understand that because we are inside it. He created the Universe for us to live in, not to
trap himself in.
A while ago, my dad said that the Clouds are GOds Tapastry. I love the Clouds, more than the Stars.
SO many people just look at them as CLouds. But they are soo Amazing, and always differn't, the
stars are always the same.
The Devil isn't under the Ground.
These to things are also Metiphores. Up is good, down is bad, Up is progress, down isn't, Up is nice
and amazing, down is hot and Burning, up looks lijke what some people picture heaven to be like, and
likewise some picture that down is what hell is like.

How do you know hes not talking to you. One thing he said that is Prayer is how we talk to him, and
the Bible is how he talks to Us. I see this Everyday, I pray for something, and o and Behold, I open
the Bible randomly, and its there, what I wanted.
Also, he dosn't always have to Talk in words, he can talk with feelings, which I get as well.
Why not "Pretend" there is a God, and pray to him, and read the Bible a bit and see if it talks to
you.
REmember that if you have faith in it, it will happen. Thats why I can find the things I need, cause
I belive that he will show me. If your to say I know it wont work, well then it probably wont...

I think I have said as much As I can for now, and I need some sleep, so I'll go now.


Thanks for reading this (assuming that you have)
Jon
(PS, don't worrie, I make tones of Mistakes too, and even when I'm pacing myself)


Jon Asks Jared for Advice:

Hey

I've been having Big COnvos with someone about religion, and there a Bit spectical. I wanted to see
if you could have a Look at this message I sent them, and See (In your opinion) what I did right,
and What I did wrong, and GIve tips about whatelse I could say.

Thanks in advance for I belive that you will read this, cause you always do...
(This was in reply to a String of Questions they asked, and I did this when Quite tired, but think
its not too Bad)

The Original letter to *Nameless* was attached here


Jared's Advice & Tips

It sounds alright to me very good and most parts were very good so have
only said a few comments where I think you did something wrong rather
than right. Okay the way I'll do this is to go through your letter and
put comments in in square brackets. It would also be good to see a list
of the questions if you managed to keep it.
Good to hear that you're witnessing remember always ask for God's help
for without God its just a sound.
God bless,
Jared

..........................................................

Ok then - I'll start with the God and Devil same person thing...
Now, the Devil [is the greatest angel, because he was a created being he
cannot create anything for himself therefore can only corrupt God's
gifts; God sent Jesus to show how powerful man could be if he fully
trusts in God and could defeat the full power of the devil easily] was
once one of Gods greatest angels, but he [he wanted to become God or he
wanted the power god had reserved for humanity; I tend towards the
second idea] tried becoming better than God, and was cast from heaven.
So, now the
Devil trys stopping people from getting to be with God. [How? Why?]
Some have considered that Christanity may be from the Devil, but it goes
completly aggainst the Devil, and he cannot fight [his own minions]
himself (apparently that is written somewhere)[verse is Matthew
12:24-26; it helps to be able to quote it verse and all so that they can
check you aren't bollocksing them]
Now, the Devil is very clever, so he can convince people that they know
best [he doesn't convince them what he does is make what they believe
seem ridiculous; he tells the truth mixed with lies see Genesis 3:1-4 it
was the truth yet it is now believed that they forfeited the chance for
eternal life 'you won't die' but they did in the end]. "In the
Beginning" he convinced Adam and Eve to eat of a Fruit that God had
command them not to eat, and that was the Beginning of Sin.

First Religion for now is Islam (Muslims and stuff). Now, they believe
in Jesus, but that he was just a prophet, not who he claimed to be.
Now he claimed to be the Son of God. If he isn't the Son of God, then he
is completly insane for saying that, and is at the same level as someone
who says that they are a Poached Egg. So Jesus was either the Son of
God, or COmpletly insane. There is NO WAY he could have been a Prophet
[or great moral teacher as some people take him for also]. Also it is
and still is FORCED on people, and drilled into them that they must do
certain things, and it started from one guys Hallutionation" [more like
it started from his hunger for power (megalomania) that he wanted people
to worship him rather than God] where he wrote down something, then
wrote the Answer "From God" himself.

I can't really say Much about Buddah [he was a great moral teacher
however], but it did come from a Person, where as this came from God,
Assuming the Jesus wasn't an egg. BUT he was tooo wise to be insane
really. The stuff he said was INCREDIBLE.[watch out for incredible it
comes from the root word incredulous which means hard to believe; also
he was incredibly rational and logical for an insane man]

Did you know that some of the things that are written [prophecies and
the star in the sky was the sign of a great king coming] (Some Miricles)
have been proven True, like the Star over Jesus when He was
born. The year he was born has been recorded, and they can proove that
there was a HUGE "Star" over where he was staying...

The witch thing dosn't happen now, but that just shows how paranoid
people used to be [it also is to do with people ignore the statement
love the sinner hate the sin and thinking that they were doing the right
'Godly' thing but were in fact doing the Devils wish]. It wasn't really
a good thing to do, Not a Christian thing. Like the KKK, they claim they
are Christians, but they don't seem that great do they?
Also, they only had to be suspected to be a witch, there didn't have to
be ANY "Proof" like a Broom. If you said I think someone is a Witch,
then they were...

That perfect one, yes its true, so therefore, because NONE of us is also
perfect, and therefore not worthy (or able) to be with God, could have
easily been turned down by god. But no, he decided to save us. All we
have to Do is Believe. He almost did destroy all life, but had
compassion for one man [because he loved them and how easy is to destroy
that which you love], and saved him and his family.
Also, in the Time of Moses, they had ALL seen the Power of the Lord (And
knew for sure he was real), but Moses went up on a mountain for 40 days,
and during that short time the people had made idols, and were
worshipping them. Thats how corrupt we are. They knew that God was real,
but still made their own one and praised them. Ages ago if some one else
did this, then it would be added and added to [what generally happened
was that they met up with neighbouring tribes and allied together then
so as not to offend their ally they adopted the other tribes god as
their own and so on and so on] until it became a Religion like the one
with the Person with tonnes of Arms [Hinduism].

God sees the Sprit, and accepts those good of heart. If they don't know
him and have never had a chance to be saved, if they are good at heart
they are saved. That goes for young kids who never get the chance to
actually understand everything...

Solar eclipse, turn on a torch, you can see the ground. If the light
came out then the Darkness will Disapper right. THis is just a Metaphor,
and I'm too tired to Explain (Remember that behind the Moon there is
still light) so I'll finish this then GO to sleep...[light can conquer
darkness but darkness can never conquer light; see John 1:4; darkness
does not understand the light therefore will never be able to conquer it
(1st rule of warfare know your enemy as yourself) when the devil tempted
Jesus in the desert he tempted him with what he himself would have
accepted, in Screwtape Letters it says "if the demons in Hell understood
God the war would be over and they could return to heaven". Also because
of the fall mankind who should have been light became darkness therefore
people dislike Christ because he is light and the light reveals their
darkness]

Evolution, they have mostly dropped that now. But natural selection
exists. Species evolve [not evolve adapt/change]. That's for certain.
Animals change to suit the [enviroment; but they are still the same
creature] situation. They didn't all start from a big explosion though
[it has now been proven that some of the stars are predicted to be older
than the date predicted for the big bang, interesting isn't it]. That
can't be true 'cause before that there would have been less than
Nothing, and therefore an explosion is possible [for the matter to come
into being there must have been something to create it then if he could
create it then why couldn't he just start at the 'now' rather than wait
for the 'big bang'].

The Dinosaur one is odd. See, we accually don't know how long a "God"
Day is. Therefore one day could have been millions of years, and in that
time the Dinosaurs could have come and gone. I don't really know that
one that well. Might get back to you though.
[But who says that it was a million years, it could have been only 6000
years (the history of Israel), it has been now proven that the best
dating technology can be wrong ie it said that the debris from a
recently erupted volcanoe was 5 million years old, and it has an error
on it of like 5 million years so the earth could be far younger than we
think. Also, some schools of thought say that dinosaurs were killed by a
flood, remind you of Noah in any way.]

Who are these People, Joan of arc...I don't accually know:
and if there was a god, why did he let Joan of Arc die? why did he let
Hypatia die? and then let her killer Cyril, become a saint? [remember
that there are 2 forces in the universe God and Satan and earth is under
Satan's control at the moment and he can control events to an extent
like God can. But anything the devil does for evil God can turn to good
and therefore a person who dies becomes a matyr and inspires hope and
anger in the people. The Catholic church raised him as a Saint not God
mankind did it.] Do remember that he Let many people die, cause I guess
they were no longer required [slightly coarse suggests God uses people
then kills them not that good an image for a God of love], and he wanted
them to be with him. John the Baptist was kinda replaced [his job was
finished. Destiny] by Jesus, and then killed..

We don't make stuff up, we repeat what is written in the Bible and
expand [not expand for then it can be distorted rather we compare to
science and go hey look it says this here about that. God's curse that
man can only live for 129 years has now been proven through the
degeneration of cells.] on it. Scientists make stuff up. "Science is
true until proven wrong". Thats how it goes. The Big bang, someone
wanted another way of Explaining the World, which made him feel like
super beings, cause we must have evolved much more than other species
[though it means when you get down to it we're the same as apes and by
Christianity we're greater than angels (I can't remember the verse but
Paul? says that we will judge angels].

I have never said that God is in the clouds. He clearly isn't. He's
outside of this Universe. We CANNOT understand that because we
are inside it. He created the Universe for us to live in, not to trap
himself in.
A while ago, my dad said that the clouds are Gods tapestry. I love the
clouds, more than the Stars. So many people just look at them as clouds.
But they are soo amazing, and always differn't, the stars are always the
same.
The Devil isn't under the Ground. These to things are also metaphors. Up
is good, down is bad, Up is progress, down isn't, Up is nice and
amazing, down is hot and burning, up looks like what some people picture
heaven to be like, and likewise some picture that down is what hell is
like [ie fiery infurnace which it is a lake of boiling lava].

How do you know hes not talking to you. One thing he said that is prayer
is how we talk to him, and the Bible is [one of the ways he talks back]
how he talks to us. I see this everyday, I pray for something, and lo
and behold, I open the Bible randomly, and its there, what I wanted.
Also, he doesn't always have to talk in words, he can talk with
feelings, which I get as well [he can also talk through other people and
through the world]. Why not "Pretend" there is a God, and pray to him,
and read the Bible a bit and see if it talks to you [recommend a book; I
would suggest one of the Gospels possibly Mark or John your call].
Remember that if you have faith in it, it will happen. That's why I can
find the things I need, 'cause I belive that he will show me. If
you're to say I know it won't work, well then it probably [good thing
you said probably 'cause God will do things without faith but he prefers
it] won't...

I think I have said as much As I can for now, and I need some sleep, so
I'll go now.

Thanks for reading this (assuming that you have)
Jon
(PS, don't worry, I make tonnes of mistakes too, and even when I'm
pacing myself)


Jon Explains a few things

First, I was thinking about the Noah's ark thing, but I wasn't sure if it
was right, cause I thought everything was taken away. But then again, they
could have been kept in the Ground (Dinosaws) - But shouldn't there also
have been people??

Of corse I'm asking God to help, cause I'm only a Means for to spred the
Word, with out him its just a big Nothing.

I'm also not sure if they would be willing to Read the Verses I tell them,
but I could still try. And also, it was a good idea to link what I said to
the Bible by putting in some Quotes from it.
Also, some things I said were a Little "off", but you could still see what I
was trying to say. (Off meaning Badly worded)

(Another thing you wouldn't have seen is that I answereed the Questions in a
Completly Differn't order to what was asked)

The Original list of Questions was attached here
To read them Click Here


Jared's Reply

But if carbon dating is incorrect then when they date a human skeleton
they could put what date they think it should be into the error of the
reading and do the same for a dinosaur, but I'm just speculating here.
Also, I'm not saying that I believe either theory to be correct because
from what I can see there is insufficient proof either way the
scientists saying one thing and the theologians disproving it but not
offering any stable alternate suggestion.
Thanks also for the letter from the other guy. As you may have noticed
but he accused you having insufficient proof to back your statements up
while offering none to back his own.
God bless,
Jared
ps I'll write my answers to his doubts later.


Jared adds notes to the Original Questions

Same way as last time 'kay;

I am not ignorant, I listened to what you had to say. I am listening
now. I believe you are ignorant because you believe all religion is
wrong [no, all religion is not wrong it is just misplaced latest
archeological research says that originally all cultures were
monotheistic (ie one God) interesting, huh? Then they were corrupted
when they met other tribes and so as not to offend them adopted their
God as their own. Each culture probably had a different view point of
God therefore it seemed different to a new tribe but as time progressed
they developed different characteristics for each God and so on. Notice
that basically all religions have an almighty father God who is
undefeatable by all the other God's put together. Even the Jews for a
time went from their path and started to worship other idols.], and in
some cultures, religion is the basis of the culture [how so?], take for
example the Maori people. Therefore you are saying that their culture is
wrong. I think you should learn more about the culture/religion before
you regard it as wrong [culture and religion are God to learn about as
long as you have a solid faith so that you won't be corrupted by what
you see, but learning about them gives us the ability to learn how to
minister to them in a way that won't offend them overly].

I have learnt about your religion, it is school policy. But I still do
not believe. There is no proof, the bible is a book filled with great
stories that were passed as word of mouth among illiterate people [I
doubt as many 'stories' as are in the Bible could have been remembered
without some means of recording them think about it Psalms alone would
have taken 150 to memorize one chapter each. Also, it has now been
proven that the other tribes spoken about in the Old Testament did
actually exist and names like that would not survive uncorrupted for
thousands of years. Also, there are many stories of Jewish suffering in
the Bible why would those stories be recalled, would not a culture want
to recall only the good times rather than the bad as well.]. I have
never heard God speak to me [have you ever listened for him? I have
never heard him speak but once but other than that I get a feeling.].
Therefore I do not believe.

Do you know that many innocent people were killed because they didn't
believe in Christianity, or didn't know who God was [Yes I do know but
many tragedies are caused in the name of anything. The people who commit
them are fearful or power-hungry people who use religion as an excuse to
get rid of what they fear. They are not following God's will at all
because it goes against what Jesus said 'love your neighbour as
yourself' that is not an act of love as far as I'm concerned and
therefore no matter what they say they weren't doing God's will. Also,
Hitler killed many Jews saying that it was for the good of the world,
hey wait a minute Hitler was a German that means all Germans are evil
right? The actions of a person are not what you should judge their
fellow upon but rather upon their own.]? Many innocent women were killed
because they were believed to be witches, and they based their evidence
on the fact that she owned a broom (to sweep her house with) and herbs
(for cooking, and medicines) these women cured many people with natural
remedies (plants which according to you were made by god [why not, they
are too beautiful to come around by coincidence.] and they were killed
because they were smart, beautiful or talented (which according to you
are god's gifts, but it actually has a lot to do with genetics)[Right
Albert Einstein's parents were genius', uh-uh.] some women were killed
because they wouldn't have intercourse with many of the powerful men, or
because they wanted more rights for women. But they did these killings
in the name of god, who should have saved them because they did nothing
wrong [wrong, everyone has done something wrong in the eyes of God maybe
they hadn't done what they were accused of but they had sinned and
therefore deserved to die.], and you can't say that god made a mistake
[what mistake how can you look at one point in history and say it wasn't
part of his plan unless you look at the long-term effects of what
happened that taught humanity not to judge for now we see how wrong it
was and no longer do it is that not a good result], because you said he
was perfect.

And what about evolution? the apes? do you think this very important
scientific information used in schools is wrong [most definitely,
evolution is a THEORY and as all scientists will tell you something is a
theory until proven fact and to prove this then it must be observable
and I'm sorry to say that no one living has ever seen evolution take
place because it takes millions of years, therefore I'm sorry to say
that it will remain a theory as ever. They have a bunch of fossils that
they claim to be related yet they have so many missing links between
each stage that there is more missing than is present. Each time they
think they have found the link it turns out to be a hoax not very good
evidence if you ask me. The problem with the schooling system that they
only teach one theory and that is what kids end up believing is fact but
there is another theory that is not taught at school and that is that
God made it all.]? do you think that the millions of hours scientists
put into this was in vain [most scientists have actually given up on the
THEORY of evolution and such like and now many believe for the gas that
was present at the 'big bang' to come into being that there must have
been a giant super computer to give 'knowledge' to each molecule, remind
you of anything. Also, the big bang can be calculated to be at a point
in time which is shorter back than the age of some of the stars. The
problem is that they don't teach the recent discoveries at school and
continue to teach dated information]? If there is a god, why does he let
young children die [there are 2 forces in the universe God and the devil
and the devil has control over this planet at the moment and until the
second coming will continue to have. The devil has to an extent control
of events on earth so until Jesus returns this place will remain a place
of death, disease, famine, and crime.]? you can't say it's because he
wants them with him, because some of them died in horrible ways, and
that (according to you) may not be what god wants.

And what if god and the devil are the same thing? the same person, then
what do you do [how can they be. That is stupid, why would a God who is
a God of love also be bent on destroying the earth? Why would he save
the earth from himself by dying? would it not be easier to stop hurting
them. Also, if you say there is no God then there is no devil so you
don't have to worry about this then do you.]? and you know what you said
about light prevailing over dark? what about a solar eclipse [But then
you can see all the stars shine not complete darkness. A solar elcipse
is just the monn blocking out the light which is the only way to stop it
by hiding it yet once the moon moves on the Sun shines with the same
brilliance as before]? complete darkness.

And last but not least, why are there no mention of the dinosaurs in the
bible [who says that there wasn't it says animals of the land were
created who says that dinosaurs weren't amongst them then when the flood
came (side-note: almost every religion has a story of a flood covering
the earth intriguing huh?) they weren't upon the ark and that is how
they died]? Dinosaurs occupied many millions of years [who says they
did, carbon-dating? Carbon-dating will also tell us that the debris from
a recently erupted volcanoe is 5 million years old.], and there was no
Adam and Eve to watch over them, because dinosaurs and humans never met.

And if there was a god, why did he let Joan of Arc die [because then she
bcame a matyr and caused many people hope and courae to stand up to the
English because of her death which people wouldn't have done if she had
renounced her calling (by God was that not what she said) to repel the
British]? why did he let Hypatia die? and then let her killer Cyril,
become a saint [The Pope, a man, not God chooses who gets sanctified on
earth and then since it is done by a man then he can get it wrong]?

Answer these for me (except the thing about religion, especially yours,
is that everytime we scientists disprove you, you make more stuff up [no
we just prove you wrong by returning to the Bible]) like when the first
space rocket went up and you realised HEY, WHAT DO YOU KNOW, god AIN'T
IN THE CLOUDS AFTER ALL OH OH! [whoever said that God was in the clouds
was a poached egg an idiot to extremes God in the clouds means tht he is
above us and far greater than us.] then you said hey, you proved he
wasn't in the clouds, we'll relocate him, like to everywhere, yeah
that's it he is everywhere [God isn't everywhere its jst that we're
nowhere and can't comprehend everywhere, you want an example okay; think
about the length of a day, now a year, now a decade, now a millenia, now
think about the length of time since the 'big bang' (if you want to
believe in it), now past that (admire the pretty stars), now further
back still, just keep on thinking back until your mind can't do it, our
minds aren't designed to think about forever just a short span of time
in comparison. That is where God dwells in the infinite beyond human
imagination which why METAPHORICALLY he dwells in the clouds because it
is so much easier to imagine]

The same with the devil, oh ok so you proved he wasn't under the ground,
so we'll ah move him too! [again who was the idiot who said that he was
underground the Bible says that hell is in permenant darkness and is a
lake of fire so people thought where don't I want to be the worst place
imaginable on earth I know in the earth.]

If there is a god, he ain't talkin to moi. [Since there is a God why
would he deign (wish to) to talk to us? Also how come a group of
orthodox Jews decide to go out and make a religion of their own that
would get themselves persecuted by their own relatives for uttering
blasphemies and also come up with the idea that a God loves humans where
did they get the idea from certainly not from all the other religions
that they knew of for no worshippers of Zeus would ever claim to love
him. Why were they willing to die in something that was made-up answer
me that water-tight and I'll believe you.]
ciao
*Nameless*

P.S sorry about all the spelling mistakes, but I am in a hurry.







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